Comments on: Turtles All The Way Down http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:34:49 +1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Is There More To What We See? -- a Nadder! http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-14093 Is There More To What We See? -- a Nadder! Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:27:49 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-14093 [...] Here, Marge displays the Classic Supernatural Thinking Defence #23 (which is similar to the postmodern view I mentioned in my first post): [...] [...] Here, Marge displays the Classic Supernatural Thinking Defence #23 (which is similar to the postmodern view I mentioned in my first post): [...]

]]> By: michael http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-838 michael Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:24 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-838 Chainsaw -- this question is answered in a great story by Scott Aaronson: http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/pancake.html (If only I managed to understand it all!) Chainsaw — this question is answered in a great story by Scott Aaronson: http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/pancake.html

(If only I managed to understand it all!)

]]> By: Chainsaw http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-831 Chainsaw Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:04:17 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-831 um... all the way down to WHERE? Remember, you don't HAVE to walk to the bottom turtle by turtle. Or to rephrase the question, are there aleph-null turtles, aleph-one turtles, or some other quantity? um… all the way down to WHERE? Remember, you don’t HAVE to walk to the bottom turtle by turtle.

Or to rephrase the question, are there aleph-null turtles, aleph-one turtles, or some other quantity?

]]> By: michael http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-275 michael Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:06:12 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-275 I'd say [modern] cosmology is more like philosophy but he has a point. But I do think they have shown it exists since the gravitational force present in galaxies and galactic clusters is much greater than could be expected given what we see. So at the very least it suggests some kind of matter currently invisible to us (whether or not the current theories of dark matter/energy are any good) I’d say [modern] cosmology is more like philosophy but he has a point. But I do think they have shown it exists since the gravitational force present in galaxies and galactic clusters is much greater than could be expected given what we see. So at the very least it suggests some kind of matter currently invisible to us (whether or not the current theories of dark matter/energy are any good)

]]> By: Mike http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-270 Mike Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:53:57 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-270 Just saw a TV program last night on dark matter and dark energy, and how a lot of physicists think it explains the universe, but some key physicists that it's passing the buck. It seems to me that it's trying to explain something with something very complex, and that no-one has been able to even prove it exists. There was one physicist that said cosmology is very much like religion. Just saw a TV program last night on dark matter and dark energy, and how a lot of physicists think it explains the universe, but some key physicists that it’s passing the buck.

It seems to me that it’s trying to explain something with something very complex, and that no-one has been able to even prove it exists.

There was one physicist that said cosmology is very much like religion.

]]> By: michael http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-252 michael Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:17:30 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-252 Thanks for commenting -- I agree we can ask where everything came from. But that doesn't mean every philosophy must be standing on turtles. The theory of evolution showed us the first example of a theory that explains how complexity is created from something very simple and trivial. We need the same kind of explanation for the universe at large -- we just aren't there yet! What the turtles represent is passing the buck -- when you explain something by using something equally complex and equally in need of an explanation. And I think the Judeo-Christian God is a perfect example (in this case the turtle-stack is only a few turtles deep). For suppose you're right, that there must be "something" first that's a causeless cause. You seem to be saying that the YHWH hypothesis makes more sense than the Zeus hypothesis or the "it was just a causeless cause" hypothesis. Is that right? Cause I don't see how that follows. Thanks for commenting — I agree we can ask where everything came from. But that doesn’t mean every philosophy must be standing on turtles. The theory of evolution showed us the first example of a theory that explains how complexity is created from something very simple and trivial. We need the same kind of explanation for the universe at large — we just aren’t there yet!

What the turtles represent is passing the buck — when you explain something by using something equally complex and equally in need of an explanation. And I think the Judeo-Christian God is a perfect example (in this case the turtle-stack is only a few turtles deep).

For suppose you’re right, that there must be “something” first that’s a causeless cause. You seem to be saying that the YHWH hypothesis makes more sense than the Zeus hypothesis or the “it was just a causeless cause” hypothesis. Is that right? Cause I don’t see how that follows.

]]> By: Mike http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-249 Mike Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:12:39 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-249 I agree with Alan. Whether you're into the big bang, or evolution, or cyclic universes, or singularities, or whatever, you've always got to ask where it came from. Where did the matter of the primeval soup come from? Where did the contents of the big bang come from? What was the singularity contained in? What is the cyclic universe contained in? Every philosophy is standing on turtles. There must have been something first. I think the Judeo-Christian God makes the most sense. I agree with Alan. Whether you’re into the big bang, or evolution, or cyclic universes, or singularities, or whatever, you’ve always got to ask where it came from.

Where did the matter of the primeval soup come from? Where did the contents of the big bang come from? What was the singularity contained in? What is the cyclic universe contained in?

Every philosophy is standing on turtles. There must have been something first. I think the Judeo-Christian God makes the most sense.

]]> By: st_bartholomew http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-45 st_bartholomew Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:04:34 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-45 If you mean organic evolution then I'd say with the first carbon-based replicators. Of course it doesn't explain everything in the universe before that -- what I meant is that evolution is the first idea we've ever had that shows how "you don't need something more to have something more". If that make sense... If you mean organic evolution then I’d say with the first carbon-based replicators. Of course it doesn’t explain everything in the universe before that — what I meant is that evolution is the first idea we’ve ever had that shows how “you don’t need something more to have something more”. If that make sense…

]]> By: Alan http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down/comment-page-1#comment-43 Alan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:07:36 +0000 http://anadder.com/turtles-all-the-way-down#comment-43 "Evolution is probably the only concept that avoids the turtlestack." Is it though? Where did evolution begin? “Evolution is probably the only concept that avoids the turtlestack.”

Is it though? Where did evolution begin?

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