Of course I’m not suggesting some blanket one size fits all policy — the vaccination of children is as much as I can hope for in my lifetime. But even then I would imagine you would agree with me for certain combinations of disease/vaccination: it’s just a long continuum.

I think what I’m saying sounds more extreme because we see it as a personal choice — I guess what I’m talking about it is based in a world where vaccination is considered as much a default as cutting the umbilical cord (the analogy is imperfect because it is about children specifically).

Not sure where you’re getting this idea of where an HIV cure can/can’t come from?

NB. I am absolutely NOT anti-vax!

Many vaccinations have a health risk assosciated with them. Most vaccinations in future will be also include adults (as they haven’t been invented yet) so you would restrict a person’s liberty because they weighed up the relative pros and cons of a medical decision and chose differently to the way you wanted?

Maybe we could put a bell round their necks that they have to ring in case any old people or children may be nearby. And have a flashing light too, in case the child or OAP is deaf.

Sorry, my body is mine and I will use and abuse it as I see fit. If that realistically puts other people at risk then that is something we have to work on but it has to be a proportionate response and not crazy scaremongering.

Not to mention the fact that a cure for AIDS will only come about from the repeated exposure of unprotected people to the disease to find some people with a natural immunity. But that is way off-topic…

However if such a person is found I do not object to quarantining them — because they are not just harming themselves. Diseases like the flu mostly strike old people whose immune systems are weary — and a healthy unvaccinated adult could well be the carrier of a virus, not notice any symptoms themselves and then get an older person sick.

I’m not sure if this applies to childhood diseases but my hypothetical utopia would have mass distribution of every major seasonal vaccine and at the very least those who opt out would have to disclose this in some way. At worst, it’s a [much] milder case of someone who has HIV and engages in unprotected sex with others without disclosing (which in my opinion is attempted murder).

BABIES, you muppet.

However when it comes to adults the state has no right to enforce medical treatment on an unwilling, mentally competent adult.

As for treating un-vaccinated people like they are infected, that is wrong on so many levels.

If outbreaks of diseases happen then it is 99.9% likely it will happen to people who have not been vaccinated. It was their choice, their risk and hell mend them.

With vaccination rates falling below the herd immunity because of new-age anti-vax nonsense, in many areas public schools are considering (or maybe even have) mandated that all students be vaccinated.

If I opt out then I think society has a right to quarantine me until I’m not harming others by my presence.

I guess it’s a matter of defaults — we consider it an invasive procedure only because of anti-vax nonsense. I don’t think anyone would consider cutting the umbilical cord of a baby to be an overreaching imposition — I see vaccinations of babies as being on the same level.

Say what now?

Enforced medical treatments on mentally capable adults by the state?

Do you even read your previous posts?